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  1. Once again thank you all for the sage advice that you have given me over the last two years. I appreciate it and I always take time to read through the boards and learn as much as I can. So let me catch you up on where my wife and I are at now. We are in an open marriage having transitioned from swinging due to the fact of that we were having just no luck finding that elusive four-way match with couples. Single guys in the area around us tend to be plentiful, but single females/unicorns of course still tend to be extremely rare. So we decided to transition to an open marriage and for us to play separately. We still share our experiences regularly and still discuss and communicate thoroughly before and afterwards. My wife currently has a boyfriend that she enjoys time with and she also has a irregular play partner she sees once a month. So today’s discussion is about me: I am currently in a, well I don’t know if I should define it as a “relationship“, with a female that started out originally trying to be a unicorn with us (the wife and I), but that didn’t work out as my wife and her personalities are total opposites. So I decided to try and pursue a relationship just with her as a possible girlfriend. We’ve been seeing each other on and off twice a week for the last couple months before the covid hit and now stay in touch via text and have started to see each other again as of last week. Our relationship if you wanna call it that seems to be taking a change and I don’t quite understand why… before the covid hit we were able to spend time together, be intimate physically, and go out on the occasional lunch or and or dinner date. But lately it seems that each time I am engaging her, she brings up a financial need: last week she needed to get a new pair of shoes, this week she has major work needing to be done on her car. I sent her links as far as where there were some good shoe sales, thinking I would be helpful that way. I gave her recommendations for two mechanics that I trust and thought that would also be helpful as well. But, that doesn’t seem to be good enough. Yesterday she asked me if I thought that my being a good boyfriend meant that I shouldn’t occasionally treat her to nice things. She also mentioned this morning that if I was in a situation where I needed help with my automobile she’d be willing to do what she could financially. But, that doesn’t seem to be good enough. Yesterday she asked me if I thought that my being a good boyfriend meant that I shouldn’t occasionally treat her to nice things. She also mentioned this morning that if I was in a situation where I needed help with my automobile she’d be willing to do what she could financially. So it just seems as if that she’s trying to get our relationship to cross a certain line. Now for the record, I have no problem paying for drinks if we go out, and I don’t mind either going dutch on lunch, or dinner, or one takes care of one, one takes care of the other. So am I wrong in thinking that, making financial supportive moves like giving her money for new shoes, or giving her money towards her car repair, might be too big of a step...? I could see maybe a loan....But when I floated that idea her response was “how about I not loan you any p****y?” and to me, as shocking as that seemed, I was like is this what we’ve done, moved to a “pay for play” situation...? I’m scratching my head trying to wrap my head around this. I mean she has a man, who lives and works out of state. So to me, that means she has a significant other, like i do. So he should be handling those major responsibilities like that. Any advice I’d gladly appreciate. But it seems to me like if we are moving in this direction, it’s time for me to move on, because that’s not what I’m looking for.
  2. Hello, everyone! Long time no post! It's been quite the long time. For awhile we lost all hope in finding that unicorn, but recently we decided to get back into looking for her. So here we are! (female posting, as always). I do have a question, I just want to know if this is common with unicorns. So, we posted an ad on Craigslist (I know, I know: not recommended but we were really careful in what we posted). Got at least five hits in two weeks which is more than what we got on SLS. Sidenote: Our old account got deactivated due to not using it in forever, so we created a new one. So here's hoping we get more hits there. Anyway, I digress. The second girl that replied to our ad was hot. Like, really, really hot. We thought it was too good to be true (turns out it was, but let me finish). Hubby and her trade emails through Craigslist, where you have your real email masked. Then she tells him she wants to email with me, too which is fine. So we do that. Then we trade pics. She wants to know about my experiences, which wasn't much. We talk about all the sex stuff which is fine. Then we wanted to know more about her, like interests, etc. I personally feel more comfortable when I know more about the female than just sex. Couldn't get anything like that out of her, it was like pulling teeth. Then after awhile it turns out she only wanted to be with me, and not the male at all. She claimed to be bi when responding to the ad, but turns out she was a lesbian. We are only interested in playing together, so having the hubby watch isn't going to happen. Then we got another response recently. Did the same thing as above except we got a lot more info that seemed to be legit. She kept wanting to see me completely nude, with face in the picture. Then she sends me a picture of her exposed, ahem...you know. I then ask for a picture like that with her face in it, and she wouldn't do it. Haven't heard from her in over a week. So, basically my question is: Is this normal? Our ad on CL is probably buried under hundreds of other postings so we most likely will not be re-posting there and sticking to SLS, since it seems like you get more verified, real people there. If you got all that, you get a cookie.
  3. Hey everyone! So, my wife has discovered she likes girls and wants to experience a lesbian encounter while I watch. She said she may want me to play with her, but not with the other woman. I'm totally cool with this! The only thing is she really isn't comfortable with another guy being there, and I'm not sure if I an either. We have been together for 17 years. We almost had a threeway with one of her friends when we were dating, but it never came up again until recently. One night while at a dance club, these two hot chicks were flirting and dancing with my wife. When we got home she was all hot and ready for some action. In the midst of our love making, she tells me she wants to have sex with a woman. Then she proceeds to get on the computer and pulls up some lesbian porn. I was like "WOW!" This is something I have always wanted! She has never been into porn or girls before, at least not that I know of. Now her sex drive is off the charts! We have gone from once a week to two or three times a day. We have discussed what she wants and I want. She wants to play with a woman while I play with her, but doesn't want any contact between the other woman and I. So far we have tried Craigslist, but got nowhere. She was totally turned off by the whole CL thing. There is a club where we live, but she doesn't want to go there for fear of being hit on by some guy or me being hit on by some girl. We did ask a girl we met at a nightclub out, but she turned us down because she has a boyfriend. My question(s) is how do we find a woman who is into that? Also, what potential pitfalls could someone in my circumstance avoid? I have a gay friend who said he would try to get us hooked up with someone, but the waiting is driving both of us mad! Any suggestions on how to find someone, or are we going about this all wrong? At this point, couples and Craigslist are out of the question.
  4. Just for fun. Another thread got me to wondering which is more difficult to find; a well hung (8+ inches) guy or a unicorn? Based on the stats posted in the other thread, 8+ inches occurs in about 1/1000 men. I am not sure there is a statistical analysis of the unicorn population. But I doubt we have met a 1000 different swinging males (maybe though) and we have met several unicorns. We have not met a guy that we KNOW is 8+, although a few we have met claim to be, they haven't caught my wife's fancy, so we have no proof.
  5. We met her at a meet & greet about six weeks ago. She recently posted a Hot Date and we were free. She had us, another couple and a male friend over. Very friendly bunch. I got a negative vibe from the female of the other couple. She's not interested is what I presumed. No worries. Mrs. DontStop and the unicorn are here, plenty of chance to have a good time. But the unicorn is ADD. She's here... then there... then talking about this... and that... then here again... then there again. Just as things start heating up, she abruptly jumps up and moves to another body or set of bodies. After the first break of the evening, we left. I couldn't maintain rigidity with the jumping and moving around, and Mrs and I didn't show up just to have sex with each other. Strange experience, no doubt. Maybe if we can have her alone it would work. But with all the other bodies, we are no competition for the whims of ADD. Sigh.
  6. Some recent talk about unicorns (aka single ladies in the lifestyle) has me curious about this. Of the 6 different people/couples we have played with as a couple, 3 of them were single women (2 couples, 1 single male and 3 "unicorns"). It wasn’t until I started reading this board that I realized that single women who like to play are considered really rare. So my question is, just how rare are they really (and my apologies to single women who read this for referring to you in such an objectifying manner)? Maybe my perspective is skewed, because until recently we did not seek out play partners through any organized way, but rather we met them in our vanilla life and invited them home with us. As such I found that it is easier to approach single women than it is to approach couples. As such, and because they are generally much more accepted at parties and clubs, I had honestly thought that single women were more involved in the lifestyle than are single men. So whats your take, are "unicorns" mythical objects spoken of but never seen, or have you found that the hype of the single woman rarity is out of proportion to reality?
  7. This question is coming from my wife. She was always one of those types that don't really go up to people or "put herself out there". So she was wondering how does one approach an attractive woman to strike up a conversation. It's not like you are just trying to make a friend, you trying to make something much more. She's just looking for advice from other females/couples that have done this, and how you go about doing it.
  8. First off I need to say this is NOT a "how do we get a single bi-fem into our bed?" post. We are experienced traditional full swap swingers who are at the clubs almost weekly and in many ways are a successful and confident couple. In fact my question may apply equally well to single males as single females. We have always preferred couples and will continue to prefer them but we have been talking about getting more involved with singles. My question is, due to the low numbers of single females in the lifestyle (and of the ones there are being so bi) is it even a viable place to look for single fem in the first place or are there other avenues that would be a better place to look? We have had a couple FMFs before but it was with vanillas who had no interest in "swinging" per se, and quite frankly, when they found out we were open to having a threesome with them they jumped at the chance. So I got to thinking that maybe the lifestyle isn't even a viable place to look in the first place. I don't mean to knock the single women that are in the lifestyle but most of the ones we have seen have been borderline attractive at best, have lots of issues, are primarily looking for bi experiences and have fan clubs waiting a mile long to get a crack at them and many are quite the primadonnas because of that demand (please don't get mad or defensive, that has just been our observation and experience. Your mileage may vary). And while sane, sober, attractive, pleasant and available women are a rarity in the lifestyle, there are a lot of them in the vanilla world. Just wondered what some of your thoughts on this are and if you have any insights or advice? I'd be interested to hear any thoughts or experiences you may have had.
  9. So far, my experience has been limited to on-premise club or house party, meeting single men and getting down to business. This has worked well, but I am ready to spread my wings. I think after my divorce, I just wanted to make sure that I could get laid, OK, check that off, I can do that. Now, I would really like to make contact with a couple. I think I am attracted to the fact that the man would not be so eager and jumpy (he is with his wife, he knows he is going to get some). Plus, I have always been curious about the touch and feel of a woman (I am a bi-newbie). So I get all gussied up, go to the club, and never get approached by couples. I have approached couples when they had the first timer name tag. I sat and talked but they were just there to check out the scene. I did have a lovely conversation with a couple who had been swinging for 30 some odd years, they were great and we 20 questioned each other alot, I learned alot about swinging and about myself that night. But, how do I get past the talking? Are couples less likely to play with a single they just met at a club vs someone they have emailed before? I am not real comfortable with the emailing, I am not looking for a relationship and getting to know you, just some good old anonymous naked time. I don't think I am visually an ogre, I am a size 16, a little lumpy but all my lumps are in the right place. I don't dress real sexy, I like to look a little classy with that wild thang undertone. I am working on my small talk, eye contact people skills, so I am trying to be more outgoing. How do I let couples at the club know that I am interested. Do I need to do my networking online? Do couples prefer that mode of contact?
  10. I get asked quite a bit why it is so hard to find single females to play with. I get asked this by both couples and single males. The general answer is that there really aren't many single females in the lifestyle. And the few that are are only interested in playing with couples/ threesomes/ female/ female fun. This explains why it's hard for single males to find females to partner with them for clubs/ socials. Does any one have any tips on finding the elusive single females?
  11. First, I will tell you that as a new single female swinger, I have been inundated with responses ...even without a picture on the profile...which I did not expect. Couples don’t seem to care what I look like…as long as I am breathing…and I find that suspect. I wouldn’t buy a car sight unseen just because it is a Mercedes, it could be a rusted out wreck! That is just not good business acumen. So I find the correlation very disturbing…albeit in my favor. Question 1: Why do you do that? Why would couples want to meet someone they haven’t seen a picture of? Also, many of the couples who have contacted me seem to be rather possessive in nature. They are interested in me becoming..."their"...single-bi female. Is the desire for exclusivity that common or am I just dealing with wading through the backwater? Question 2: How can I do that? I mean...I am interested in a MMF...how does a single female accomplish that? My concern is ending up in a circumstance wherein I loose control of the situation in a very unsavory manner. I would like to have fun and not be used…this is the area in my opinion where couples do have the advantage. The woman knows her mate will look out for her. I do not have that luxury. It is a bit of a quandary … but I am sure the advice here will be eye opening and interesting at the least.
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